Charismatics, Please Stop!
As I read and see more charismatic materials the more upset I become. The complete foolishness of their words and actions need to stop! They don't care about the bible they seek the next miraculous encounter no matter how bizarre it may be. Discernment is gone and the scriptures are ignored. Doctrine and Theology is forgotten and experiences are made the focus.
Many Chrismatics claim they want to follow the bible, if this is so they need to speak out against what is happeing in their movement.
Consider the following:
This was found at the Truth War blog
Here is a video produced by Extreme Prophetic, a so-called signs and wonders ministry. In this video Patricia King (false prophetess) is claiming that Joshua Mills (false prophet) gets an angel (never shown) that comes to him and releases the 'glory from heaven' in the form of sapphire and diamond glitter as well as anointing oil flowing from his hands.
Anyone with half a brain and even a little Biblical discernment can tell these are nothing more than cheap magic tricks designed to separate you from your money, all in the name of God of course.
Many Chrismatics claim they want to follow the bible, if this is so they need to speak out against what is happeing in their movement.
Consider the following:
This was found at the Truth War blog
Here is a video produced by Extreme Prophetic, a so-called signs and wonders ministry. In this video Patricia King (false prophetess) is claiming that Joshua Mills (false prophet) gets an angel (never shown) that comes to him and releases the 'glory from heaven' in the form of sapphire and diamond glitter as well as anointing oil flowing from his hands.
Anyone with half a brain and even a little Biblical discernment can tell these are nothing more than cheap magic tricks designed to separate you from your money, all in the name of God of course.
1 Comments:
A few observations:
The first clip of the "glitter" showed a guy with "glitter" on him. Nothing magical or divine about that. What would have been more convincing was if the video visually documented the "glitter" actually falling on him from the sky or visibly appearing out of his skin or out of thin air as it were. However, as I looked closely, I could not tell if the "glitter" was ever appearing out of the "ether." All I could tell was that some guy had "glitter" on him already once the video starting recording.
Also, I have seen other video of this same experience before in the 90's. But the video was on one of those TV shows that also addressed UFO's and other phenomena. This reduces the credibility of the miracles in my mind further.
Besides that, I would tend to think that if such a divine miracle or manifestation occurred then the people around would have been less cavalier and humorous about it. I think they would have been a bit more solemnly enraptured at least.
In the second video clip it was the same. The video showed a guy with oil on his hands. It did not show a guy with oil appearing on his hands out of nowhere. Oil on hands does not equal either miracle or magic.
Third video clip: The same. A diamond in a hand. That's all. So far, none of the video actually substantiated or showed actual miracles taking place. The signs and wonders purported were not seen in the video clips at all. One would have to already believe these miracles took place to believe the videos were actual visual proof of them.
The lady said she had seen gems form in people's hands. If this truly occurred multiple times and there was video of the formed gem(s), why could there not easily be video of the actual formation of the gem(s)? That would be more convincing proof of the "signs & wonders." Instead, we have reasonable doubt to discount the reported miracles.
She also said that signs and wonders are to point us to God and worship him. I would agree there. I disagree, however, as to the particular signs and wonders. When I see the wonder of a mammoth granite mountain bedecked with Big Tooth Maple trees in their fall colors, I marvel and praise God. When I see the miracle of a baby be born, I praise God. When I read the scripture, I amazed by the truth within, and I fear and worship God.
In the end, the lady mentioned two DVD's you could buy that actually show these signs and wonders taking place. So if these videos were not proof, then you could order the DVD's for a price and see it yourself. That may be factual and true. Maybe these miracles did take place and the DVD's do in fact visibly document that. Until I see them, I won't know for myself.
But that's not the problem I see here though. The problem is that God's people have been entrusted with God's word, which is more to be desired than much fine gold (or diamonds) and is sweeter than honey (or oil)!!! (Psalm 19 & 119:103.) So the problem I see is that this lady, when talking about the DVD's, only mentioned that they contained a message at a conference. She did not talk about what the message was or how good the message was. The message, as is often the case as documented at least by Hank Hanegraaff in his book "Counterfeit Revival", is often secondary to the supposed signs and wonders taking place. How did such people of God, and God's word I presume, get to a point of emphasizing the experiences over God's word? If these experiences are true, do they not come as a result of worship or of preaching God's word? If that is true, then wouldn't worship or preaching God's word be most important since they would cause the miracles? Or do the miracles happen first and thus cause worship? That, I think, is wrong.
While these questions are debatable and others have made better arguments, I doubt that most people would not be skeptical about such signs & wonders, therefore proof is needed.
It is sad that these things happen. The lady said that people react in three different ways to such signs & wonders: Glad, mad, or sad. I'm of the sad variety. It's sad and tragic because even if the signs and wonders are true, they have been elevated above God's word. I hold that any true Christian will adhere to God's word and find it better than much fine gold, or even diamond and sapphire dust.
For by what else is man saved? Man is not saved by gold and gems or oil. Faith comes not by witnessing miracles but by hearing God's word (Romans 10:17)!!!
Earlier I presumed that these people of God were also people of God's word, but their actions do not seem to follow. And that is what is truly sad.
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